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The only way to Obtain Asylum in the US is by being in the US, these people aren’t breaking the law. FYI.

For the record I believe that nobody should be allowed to enter a country, any country, illegally and expect to be received with open arms.  I am all for following proper immigration procedures, especially when we’re talking about hundreds of thousands, of people fleeing their countries to gain Asylum.  To you certain American followers saying that I can’t expect your country to treat these “illegals” any differently than my country would, I’m here to tell you that my country isn’t perfect, and if you’ve been reading my blog since the beginning you will know of the many issues/beefs that I have with it and my government.  But, I will say this about my country, and that is that no matter how a person enters it, and since you three in particular would not be paying attention to my news; may I enlighten you to the fact that we do have them sneaking over unguarded/ungoverned borders here as well.  Maybe not to the degree that you in the US have, but we have them also.  The difference between how my country of birth is handling it compared to your giant Cheeto in command is, is night and day.

No matter what a person has done to gain Asylum in America, other than murder, is there, in my humble human opinion a good enough reason to separate parents from their child(ren).

There is no good reason, or one hundred good reasons to erect chain link cages in warehouses, throw some gym mats on the ground with temporary foil emergency blankets as “shelter” and “accommodation” for children as young as eight months old.

Sorry, but that shit is fucked up.

It is cruel.

It is inhumane.

And it is illegal.  It is more illegal than what the Asylum seekers are doing.  It in fact goes against the very immigration laws that have been put in place to allow Asylum seekers the opportunity to become US citizens.  Don’t believe me go to your own Immigration website.  Because as it is stated on the US Government Immigration page:

Obtaining Asylum in the United States

The two ways of obtaining asylum in the United States are through the affirmative process and defensive process.

Affirmative Asylum Processing With USCIS

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.

You must apply for asylum within one year of the date of their last arrival in the United States, unless you can show:

  • Changed circumstances that materially affect your eligibility for asylum or extraordinary circumstances relating to the delay in filing
  • You filed within a reasonable amount of time given those circumstances.

So, for those of you like “Dismayed” who responded to my blog saying shit like; “You really need to look outside of your rose coloured fish bowl and get informed instead of regurgitating what the nightly news tells you to believe. The fact that you are able to put out content in which you clearly have not researched is appalling. It’s apparent you are trying to make yourself relevant while riding your husbands coattails. Yet again….. it’s astonishing anyone would give you a book deal.”

First I don’t watch the news because sadly I don’t have the time to sit in front of a television, wish I did.  And two I strongly recommend that you get your head out of Fox News’ ass, and pay attention to more than what they’re spewing at you, like why don’t you google how one legally gains asylum, it’s quite quick to do.  I did it in five minutes, and basically the only way to gain Asylum is to be on that countries soil.  It is not illegal to attempt to receive it.  What is illegal is kidnapping children from their parents to use as a scare tactic so that other asylum seekers won’t attempt to get their better lives as well.

But what would you Dismayed know about that?  Clearly you’re a white privileged North American living high off the hog on the land our ancestors stole from the Indigenous people, the rightful owners.  But hey, I’m the only privileged one between the two of us, huh?

Here’s another fun little tid bit of how to obtain Asylum in the US for Mr. OmaSteak from Nebraska who had this to say to me… “Mrs. Bisson,
The very idea that these illegal alien children are being put in “concentration camps” is beyond the pale…even for a misinformed Canadian citizen. Have you ever visited the site of a real concentration camp? I have and it’s a life-changing experience…and has nothing to do with the reality of dealing with children whose parents have chosen to violate US immigration laws. I wonder what the Canadian government would do if faced with 15-20 million illegal aliens already in the country and hundreds/thousands trying to illegally cross the Canadian border on a daily basis? I’m sure you’d welcome the hoards with open arms…NOT! I know the videos shown on the network news broadcasts are disturbing…that’s because they are meant to be…not for information purposes but for political ones. Please save your righteous outrage for some purpose that isn’t being manufactured to influence policy decisions being made in the US now.”

First off 15-20 million?!?!  That’s a reach.  I’ve seen numbers that said 14,000-15,000 (and this was spread across Mexico and the US)…but fifteen MILLION.  I think somebody is writing some best selling fiction here.

But I digress, may I point out that they’re not illegal aliens they are legitimate people living in fear where they are subjected to war, and in the cases of women sexual attacks and rape, that anything we, and I say “we” as the collective we of North America can offer them is better than that.  And once again may I point out that you probably should take your issues up with your immigration laws and not me, or the millions of people who are appalled at your leadership’s choice in how to handle this latest influx of asylum seekers because in black and white on your countries very own immigration site it states:

Affirmative asylum applicants are rarely detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). You may live in the United States while your application is pending before USCIS. If you are found ineligible, you can remain in the United States while your application is pending with the Immigration Judge. Most asylum applicants are not authorized to work.

So, as you see Dismayed, and Mr. OmaSteak, the reason why most of your country, and all the other countries watching how inappropriately this is all being handled are reacting with disgust is entirely justified, because your current administration is breaking its own laws.

Our disgust is justified.

Yes people need to expect that just because they come seeking asylum in the US or Canada doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going to be successful in obtaining it.  It is a gamble for sure.  But, I would hope that even the two of you have enough heart to agree that tearing children away from their parents is not the way it should be handled while their applications are being processed, and that that is both unnecessarily cruel and damaging to the well-being of the innocent children caught in the crossfire of this current administration’s political chess match.

As for you “Hmmm” “Just in case your privileged behind didn’t know; Trump signed a bill that allows families to stay together. You know who didn’t want that bill to pass, Democrats! So get off your high horse and realize your side is the problem.”

I answer you this, I do have a privileged behind, and it’s damn fine too, but even I’m versed enough to know that Ass Pimple #45’s bill has a shelf life giving them 69 days to stay together.  Bet you didn’t know that, did you?  So why don’t you kiss my privileged ass, and don’t come for me, unless I send for you.

7 Comments

  1. I’m a bit late to this debate as I have been on holidays , this is not about asylum seekers but as an imigrant( in the UK) It really anoys me the lies and misconceptions that are thrown about, namely that the purpose of imigrats is to sponge the wellfare system of the country they go to – nothing could be further from the truth – imigrants are the hardest working, often for very low wages, doing jobs that most nationals can’t be bothered to do.
    Anyway, I thought this post was very good at dispeling some myths about the “drain on the system” that imigrants pose and the catch 22 position undocumented people are in the US

    Written by Eric Pavri
    I’m an immigration lawyer. I know that many of my Facebook friends, who are good and intelligent people, honestly have questions like the following: Why don’t all these immigrants just become legal, and do they get all kinds of public benefits?

    I hope you’ll read what I wrote here in the spirit in which it was intended, which is to cut through the BS (from poorly-informed but loud voices on both the left and right) and simply provide correct information so that people can decide for themselves what is right and best.

    I recently wrote the comment below to a Facebook story from a local news channel, about a teacher here in Colorado Springs who has DACA.

    ********************************************************
    To several of the commenters on this thread – first, I want to acknowledge that asking why people don’t just become citizens, or whether people without legal status can get public benefits that U.S citizens cannot, are legitimate questions. If they are asked in good faith, no one should mind you asking them.

    Therefore, let me answer your questions. Please know that I am well-informed on these topics, as an immigration lawyer for the past 8 years, the past six of those in Colorado, and currently the Director of Family Immigration Services at Catholic Charities of Central Colorado (most of you know us best as the organization that runs the Marian House soup kitchen). You may verify those statements by entering my bar number (44591) on the Supreme Court of Colorado website (http://www.coloradosupremecourt.com/Search/AttSearch.asp) or viewing our Catholic Charities website (https://www.ccharitiescc.org/).

    First, as to why young people who have DACA haven’t just become citizens:

    To become a U.S. citizen (other than by birth), one must first become a Lawful Permanent Resident (“green card” holder). Only after five years as a Permanent Resident can you apply to become a citizen. Thus, the obvious next question: how does a person become a Permanent Resident? There are three primary options to do so:

    1) Family-based petitions. This means that a U.S. citizen or Permanent Resident parent, spouse, adult child, or sibling files a “petition” for you. Depending on the category that you fall into, the wait will be anywhere from 1 – 22 years (yep) before you can use that petition to take the next step – applying to become a Permanent Resident (background checks, medical exam, more fees, etc.). That works for people living outside the U.S., but for those who have been here, it may not be possible if they entered the U.S. illegally, even if they were minor children when they did so.

    2) Employment-based petitions. A U.S. employer can similarly sponsor you, but generally only if you are in a profession requiring an advanced degree or unique skills (doctors, software engineers, world-class athletes to coach professional sports teams, etc.). Even then, the potential employer must generally also prove that they made good-faith efforts to hire a U.S. citizen for the position, but no qualified applicants applied.

    3) Diversity visa lottery. Every year, the U.S. government selects 50,000 people worldwide who enter a lottery and pass background checks to come to the U.S. as Permanent Residents. This lottery, however, is only available to people from countries that traditionally send few people to the US – so, for example, people from countries such as Mexico, the Philippines, China, Guatemala, India, El Salvador, and other countries that send larger numbers of immigrants to the U.S. do not have this option.

    Extra note: The current Administration has actively sought to eliminate or dramatically limit Options #1 and #3. The new term being used in the attempted re-branding of Option #1, family-based immigration, which has been the basic principle of U.S. immigration law for over a century, is “chain migration”. If those two options are in fact eliminated or curtailed, legal immigration to the U.S. will be significantly reduced.

    The KEY POINT to all of the above: If you do not qualify for one of these 3 options, then there is no “line” to get into to legally become a Permanent Resident and eventually a U.S. citizen. So, if you are not fortunate enough to have, say, a U.S. citizen spouse or a graduate degree in computer science, you very likely can never become a citizen of the United States.

    Second, one commenter above asked why President Obama, when he established DACA in 2012, did not just create a path to citizenship for these young people at that time. The answer: earlier that year, Congress had for the 11th year in a row failed to pass the Dream Act, which would have done exactly that. The President acting through his authority as head of the Executive Branch cannot create a path to Lawful Permanent Residency (and eventual US citizenship). Only a law, passed by Congress and then signed by the President, can accomplish that. So President Obama on June 15, 2012 created the more limited DACA program through Executive Action – which is why President Trump, as the new President, was able to end the program, also without an act of Congress, last fall.

    Finally, as to the question of immigrants receiving public benefits, only a U.S. citizen or a Lawful Permanent Resident (green card holder) can receive almost all types of public benefit – including Medicaid, Medicare, SSI disability, Social Security payments for seniors, TANF, and food stamps. The irony: most undocumented immigrants work under made-up Social Security numbers and so receive a paycheck from which Social Security, federal income taxes, and state income taxes are withheld, and of course they pay the same local sales and property taxes as anyone else through retail purchases, pass-through costs of apartment leases, etc. Same of course goes for the 800,000 current DACA recipients, who are authorized to legally work in the U.S. But none of those employees, despite paying IN to the system, will ever receive those public benefits listed above, that are paid for by the money withheld from their paychecks. So they are propping up our federal and state government entitlement programs because they pay in but won’t ever take out.

    The following are the public benefits that undocumented immigrants can receive in United States:

    1) Public education for children in grades K-12. This was definitively established by a 1982 Supreme Court case, Plyler v. Doe. The Supreme Court in its reasoning explicitly stated that it would not serve the overall public good of the U.S. to leave many thousands of children uneducated.

    2) Emergency room services, but only to the point where the patient is considered “medically stable”, at which point he/she is released. These services are not free, however, as in my job I meet hundreds of immigrant families who sacrifice over years to slowly pay off high emergency room medical bills.

    3) WIC assistance. This is for milk, food, etc, and available only to pregnant mothers. The rationale is that the children in the womb will be U.S. citizens when born, and therefore it is in the long-term economic best interests of the nation to ensure that they receive adequate prenatal nutrition to improve their chances of being productive citizens in the decades to come.

    4) Assistance from police if they are the victim of a crime and call for help. To their credit, the vast majority of our Colorado Springs law enforcement officers take their duty to protect all people seriously. Chief Carey of the CSPD and Sheriff Elder of the EPCSO have made clear that their officers can’t do their most important job – keeping us safe by getting dangerous criminals off our streets – if a whole class of people (undocumented immigrants) is afraid to call 911 to report crimes that they witness or are victim to.

    5) Assistance from a fire department. Rationale, besides the obvious moral one: If your house was next to that of an undocumented immigrant family, would you want the firefighters to let that house continue to burn, putting yours at risk of catching on fire too?

    And that’s it. Those, to the best of my knowledge, are the only public benefits that an undocumented immigrant can receive in just about any part of the United States. As someone who directs a small office that works with hundreds of low-income immigrant families per year, know that when I see the precarious economic situation of many of these families, I’d help them access other benefits if they could. But they simply can’t. Now, children of undocumented parents, born in the U.S., are U.S. citizens under the 14th Amendment (the one that declares that all human beings born on U.S. soil are citizens – this was passed immediately after the Civil War to forever end the legal argument that African Americans were not U.S. citizens). As such, those children can qualify for the same public benefits as any other U.S. citizen, if they qualify through economic need or disability. But their parents or undocumented siblings cannot.

    I hope that this information has been useful to those willing to read through this long (for Facebook anyway) explanation. Please know that even this long summary leaves out a ton of detail — there are tens of thousands of pages of statutes, regulations, internal federal agency procedures, and court decisions guiding how all of this is interpreted and implemented. But please take my word that I honestly believe that no detail I omitted for conciseness changes the basic points above. And I’d be happy to answer questions if you have them. Like I said, I don’t mind honest questions, and I believe that legitimate questions asked in good faith deserve well-informed, accurate answers. If all of us in the U.S. would be willing to actually listen to each others’ sincere concerns and do our best to answer each others’ questions, instead of just yelling at each other or retreating to our corners of the internet (left OR right) where everyone already agrees with us – well, I think we’d move our nation forward a lot more effectively.

  2. I am so glad that you have the words and the platform to get important messages out there. I get so mad but don’t know what to say. I am so glad that you do, Omasteak needs to take off the blinders and see what is real.
    Thank you for all that you write and share and do 🙂

  3. Mrs. Bisson, good job! Pay no attention to Omasteak. At the root of this is simply the separations don’t have to happen at all. And, the fact that one of Donny’s rich friends is getting paid to set up and operate these detention centers is quite interesting to me. And sometimes it’s more the CONCEPT, and not the actuality that is important. So, are these detention centers physically as bad as the concentration camps. Probably not. Are they doing the same level of psychological damage? I’d have to say if not, then pretty damned close. Also, I scanned the internet to find where Trudeau admitted the Canadian government separated children from parents of illegal immigrants. Can’t find it. So, Omasteak needs to cite his source. I did find this, among others, however: https://globalnews.ca/news/4282894/donald-trump-family-separation-child-detention-justin-trudeau/

    Thank you for taking the time from your busy schedule to speak up, and speak out.

  4. Oi Vey! This topic is so disturbing! I agree with you and commend you on your research, albeit, not hard to find! But that’s what a writer does, isn’t it? RESEARCH! So for those of you who are of the opinion that Shantelle has no opinion because she is a Canadian citizen, SIT THE HELL DOWN and SHUT THE HELL UP!!! She pays taxes and owns property in the US just like the rest of us; her youngest is an American citizen and so, guess what you arrogance asses, she can voice her opinion, she has every right to!!
    Now, on to my opinion on this subject. #45 is a Hitler clone; the US Gov’t is broken; there is NO ONE in this Gov’t who is FOR the people. Regardless of party, there are no politicians, male or female who have the balls to fight fire with fire. Where are the tweets from other politicians? If there are tweets, why aren’t’ the News Outlets reporting them too? I lose more faith in this Gov’t everyday as this JACKASS has been let loose; I grow more disgusted.
    I am 2nd generation American. My grandparents came from Italy, Ireland and Scotland at the turn of the 20th century. The immigration policy back then was this: You had to: 1-have a sponsor; 2-a place to live; 3-a job; 4-be in good health, not even a cold would be accepted. ALL OF MY GRANDPARENTS HAD TO ABIDE BY THIS IN ORDER TO BE ACCEPTED IN THIS COUNTRY!!!
    So I ask and HAVE asked this question over and over; how did that change? My Grandparents came in through Ellis Island, NY. Stood in lines with their children in order to be processed and accepted or rejected. There were no handouts then; there shouldn’t be now! The illegal crossing is the issue. These people wouldn’t be fleeing their countries if they weren’t in a desperate situation. We have an Immigration Policy that spells out what to do in these cases, but for some ungodly reason, we are not doing it. God knows, we have enough jobs here that Americans don’t want to do, that we could put these people on, just like the WPA did during the Great Depression. I know there are no easy answers, but the Policy has to be spelled out; updated. Using the extreme by separating children from their parents is a Political Football in order for this JACKASS to get his WALL and THAT is………appalling, to say the least! AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT’S HAPPENING!

  5. Mrs. Bisson,
    First, even you have to admit that comparing detention facilities to Nazi concentration camps was/is inflammatory and untrue. Second, there are by many estimates anywhere between 10 to 20 million illegal aliens already living in the US. There are already over 2 million so-called DACA kids who registered with the government under President Obama’s executive order. In your rant about seeking asylum in the US, you mistakenly state you have to be in the US to make an official claim. That is completely false. Asylum requests can and are made at US embassies, consulates and at official ports of entry…all without violating US immigration laws by illegally crossing the US border. BTW, your Prime Minister was forced to admit that the Canadian government also separates children from parents in certain cases of illegal entry into Canada. Illegal immigration is a huge problem…from the criminal gangs who profit from smuggling people across the border to the $50-$90 billion/year that providing programs/services to illegal aliens cost the US taxpayers. Unfortunately, our politicians lack the courage to actually deal with the situation. However, that does not excuse comparing US efforts to enforce our immigration laws with Nazi death camps. Visit the “showers” that were gas chambers and the ovens yourself…you will never ever be confused again.

  6. Thank you for the information. So tired of one meme of misinformation after another provided by both political parties that I almost forgot what an argument supported by evidence looked like.

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